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	<title>Comments on: ROI on Virtual Worlds, MMOs and Twitter</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Harrelson</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/twitter-roi-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-22171</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Harrelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brands are dead :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brands are dead <img src='http://www.revenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Promotional Products</title>
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		<dc:creator>Promotional Products</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think determining ROI coincides somewhat with a brands goals and missions. In this way, it will be difficult to develop one process and each company will have to develop a system that works best for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think determining ROI coincides somewhat with a brands goals and missions. In this way, it will be difficult to develop one process and each company will have to develop a system that works best for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bev Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/twitter-roi-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-22156</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Measurement, especially in the less tangible marketing practices of PR, has always been a bit of a crap shoot. Do you measure volume? But how much was positive? What IS positive? Only your target messages? 

Katie Paine has done an excellent job of sorting all this out for years. I used to do freelance work for her back in the early 1990s, reading through volumes of printed press clippings to determine if the client&#039;s true messages had been communicated, and calculating percentages of positive message deliver against overall coverage. 

She&#039;s evolved this to social media. 
http://kdpaine.blogs.com/

Yes, its as much about listening now as communicating messages... more in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Measurement, especially in the less tangible marketing practices of PR, has always been a bit of a crap shoot. Do you measure volume? But how much was positive? What IS positive? Only your target messages? </p>
<p>Katie Paine has done an excellent job of sorting all this out for years. I used to do freelance work for her back in the early 1990s, reading through volumes of printed press clippings to determine if the client&#8217;s true messages had been communicated, and calculating percentages of positive message deliver against overall coverage. </p>
<p>She&#8217;s evolved this to social media.<br />
<a href="http://kdpaine.blogs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kdpaine.blogs.com/</a></p>
<p>Yes, its as much about listening now as communicating messages&#8230; more in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Larissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always liked what Jeremiah Owyang had to say about the ROI of Twitter (from this post: http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/08/13/why-brands-are-unsuccessful-in-twitter/)...

&quot;What&#039;s the ROI from Twitter? A very difficult question to answer, yet you&#039;ll find the solution if you can also measure: &#039;What&#039;s the ROI of a conversation in real life.&#039;...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always liked what Jeremiah Owyang had to say about the ROI of Twitter (from this post: <a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/08/13/why-brands-are-unsuccessful-in-twitter/).." rel="nofollow">http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/08/13/why-brands-are-unsuccessful-in-twitter/)..</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s the ROI from Twitter? A very difficult question to answer, yet you&#8217;ll find the solution if you can also measure: &#8216;What&#8217;s the ROI of a conversation in real life.&#8217;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-07-17 &#124; Metaverse3d.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-07-17 &#124; Metaverse3d.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Romang</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/twitter-roi-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-22138</link>
		<dc:creator>Romang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If attention is indeed revenue then, I fear I have Revenue Deficit Disorder. 

There is a great deal of value in the conversations on Twitter. Ask many of the folks out on the roof tops of Teheran. The R in ROI is &quot;Return&quot; not &quot;Revenue&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If attention is indeed revenue then, I fear I have Revenue Deficit Disorder. </p>
<p>There is a great deal of value in the conversations on Twitter. Ask many of the folks out on the roof tops of Teheran. The R in ROI is &#8220;Return&#8221; not &#8220;Revenue&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jgoode</title>
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		<dc:creator>jgoode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tring to come up with some witty comment but all that keeps filling my mind is the lasted Sonic commercial (summarizing) &quot;my RIO is definitely better&quot;... &quot;no I don&#039;t know about return on investment, but my Raspberry Orange intact is great!&quot;

Thinking on that level however, I agree with Sam, they are only tools...

however, how we use them, how we intend others to see our use and how others intend to react in response is all so variable. there is no right nor wrong answer.. In my opinion, I think that&#039;s what ultimately makes it all validly &quot;social&quot;... as opposed to programmed.

As far as the compressed communication fitting our distracted attention spans. I feel more like we&#039;re in a virtual room with megaphones and blindfolds. I think the micro communication is a &quot;easy way out&quot; for standard relationship building - these tools are a magnificent means of opening doors that would otherwise not be visible... 

as for playing.. I think too many of us are too serious too much of the time - and that just gets us ignored when others are in play mode. I think we need to follow the casual users sometimes and definitely just get out and play. - how many today pros got their start just playing? I think we need to remember that history.

:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tring to come up with some witty comment but all that keeps filling my mind is the lasted Sonic commercial (summarizing) &#8220;my RIO is definitely better&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;no I don&#8217;t know about return on investment, but my Raspberry Orange intact is great!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thinking on that level however, I agree with Sam, they are only tools&#8230;</p>
<p>however, how we use them, how we intend others to see our use and how others intend to react in response is all so variable. there is no right nor wrong answer.. In my opinion, I think that&#8217;s what ultimately makes it all validly &#8220;social&#8221;&#8230; as opposed to programmed.</p>
<p>As far as the compressed communication fitting our distracted attention spans. I feel more like we&#8217;re in a virtual room with megaphones and blindfolds. I think the micro communication is a &#8220;easy way out&#8221; for standard relationship building &#8211; these tools are a magnificent means of opening doors that would otherwise not be visible&#8230; </p>
<p>as for playing.. I think too many of us are too serious too much of the time &#8211; and that just gets us ignored when others are in play mode. I think we need to follow the casual users sometimes and definitely just get out and play. &#8211; how many today pros got their start just playing? I think we need to remember that history.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.revenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Angel Djambazov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel Djambazov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;little sack of neurons as a piece of obsidian compensated for our lack of claws&quot; is my favorite quote of the day.

I simply think it is about expanding communication, evolving social semiotics. How communication hubs like Twitter are used is almost irrelevant interest wise to me; far more fascinating is observing how they evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;little sack of neurons as a piece of obsidian compensated for our lack of claws&#8221; is my favorite quote of the day.</p>
<p>I simply think it is about expanding communication, evolving social semiotics. How communication hubs like Twitter are used is almost irrelevant interest wise to me; far more fascinating is observing how they evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jimmy In short- Don&#039;t urinate into the drinking water.

@sam If only more marketers played. Play is the one of the best teachers and how I often get my Eureka moments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jimmy In short- Don&#8217;t urinate into the drinking water.</p>
<p>@sam If only more marketers played. Play is the one of the best teachers and how I often get my Eureka moments.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Harrelson</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/twitter-roi-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-22131</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Harrelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying you can&#039;t market whatever on Twitter. Of course you should play with marketing on Twitter or 2L or whatever. I do. 

I&#039;m saying that marketing, like everything else, changes and morphs a great deal and we need to be very careful about applying tried-and-trusted views/definitions from one medium onto another (since I still think Twitter is a different form of communication than anything else out there now).

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying you can&#8217;t market whatever on Twitter. Of course you should play with marketing on Twitter or 2L or whatever. I do. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying that marketing, like everything else, changes and morphs a great deal and we need to be very careful about applying tried-and-trusted views/definitions from one medium onto another (since I still think Twitter is a different form of communication than anything else out there now).</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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