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	<title>Comments on: Opinion: Google SlumSense Empires Made Easy&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an avid user of Google I completely agree with your viewpoint. Our site has recently moved to Quigo - a company that seems to be doing things right. They have a very clean network and provide total transparency to all involved. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an avid user of Google I completely agree with your viewpoint. Our site has recently moved to Quigo &#8211; a company that seems to be doing things right. They have a very clean network and provide total transparency to all involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/opinion-google-slumsense-empires-made-easy/#comment-9880</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody actually buys the tee-shirts. You get them free at tradeshows. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody actually buys the tee-shirts. You get them free at tradeshows.</p>
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		<title>By: Manoj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intrigued by the quote in the post: &quot;Monetize your traffic with ideas and interactions. Not with text links&quot; --- sounds like a rather profound statement. It&#039;d help to know what exactly  monetization with ideas and interactions mean? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intrigued by the quote in the post: &quot;Monetize your traffic with ideas and interactions. Not with text links&quot; &#8212; sounds like a rather profound statement. It&#039;d help to know what exactly  monetization with ideas and interactions mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Porter</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/opinion-google-slumsense-empires-made-easy/#comment-9878</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C. 
 
When you have a company of several thousand and the first thousand give or take a few, become millionaires- I think a schism of some sort is probably created. One can almost see Google &quot;wrestling&quot; with itself. They should, at least, update their mission statement. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C. </p>
<p>When you have a company of several thousand and the first thousand give or take a few, become millionaires- I think a schism of some sort is probably created. One can almost see Google &quot;wrestling&quot; with itself. They should, at least, update their mission statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Google example demonstrates my opinion that the question is not &quot;If power corrupts&quot;, but &quot;When&quot;. 
 
Despite all the crap they did over the past few years did they also did some good stuff, e.g. opened up a little, which puts the question into my mind if there are two different teams playing at the Googleplex or only one and the only difference between the players is the mood they are currently in :). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Google example demonstrates my opinion that the question is not &quot;If power corrupts&quot;, but &quot;When&quot;. </p>
<p>Despite all the crap they did over the past few years did they also did some good stuff, e.g. opened up a little, which puts the question into my mind if there are two different teams playing at the Googleplex or only one and the only difference between the players is the mood they are currently in <img src='http://www.revenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hyland</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/opinion-google-slumsense-empires-made-easy/#comment-9876</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hyland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Wayne s you obviously pierced the G-corporate veil professing to &quot;Do No Evil&quot;. Your own bot quests and honey pots, digesting the money grubbing schemes of familiar names in various disguises, just screams for a major OUTING. Not surprising your finding Google complacency in, and enablement of, planned keyword churn moves allowing them to sit out of the spotlight and rake in the lions share of PPCSE spend profits. No need for them to directly &quot;Do the Evil&quot; when they have premier search partnerships with the most evil money grubbing Adwhore outfits in the world. 
 
 
 
Let the PPCSE fraud idiots spin their wheels outing the scumbags click cheats infesting the Google Adsense content network. Like Yahoo&#039;s content network.... Google&#039;s can be turned off if advertisers get whacked in junk or phony click traffic. MFA template scrapper sites on disposable domains are just arbitrage click traps plastered throughout the content networks. 
 
 
 
What about the other Google Adsense network parts which aren&#039;t so to identify or easy to turn OFF? We&#039;re talking about inner sanctum partnerships in the upper range of Adwords/Adsense keyword daily churn ratios. The only Saint sites at the top. It is Google.com search exposure placed next to SERP results. Even there, the playing field is hardly level, as the inner sanctum mid &amp; upper tier Google partners can pay lower contract rates, arrange guaranteed ROI arbitrage buys, or get tipped on where to insert template MFA sites. 
 
 
 
Inner sanctum players in the Google click-churn game cannot be turned off. A client notices hundreds of clicks, without one sale (they average 1 sale per 20 clicks) for months coming from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suspenderscatalog.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.suspenderscatalog.com&lt;/a&gt; A PRO site with one page in Google &amp; Yahoo. Adwords Rep suggested turning off contetn network... clicks keep on coming. Then it&#039;s blacklist any links showing client Adwords specifically on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suspenderscatalog.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.suspenderscatalog.com&lt;/a&gt; ... still the clicks keep on coming. Next move is to eliminate the upper rier &quot;search partnerships&quot; ... and their clicks keep on coming. Owned by who? Keyword management and database mgmt by Who? Try hundreds of other productname+catalog.com sites and there they are. Do the Zombie click bots and click slave farmers use them?? Best question is why doesn&#039;t Google Adwords staff know how to allow a 6 year client to disallow clicks from this MFA junk traffic source? Amazing...Pausing the campaign does work! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Wayne s you obviously pierced the G-corporate veil professing to &quot;Do No Evil&quot;. Your own bot quests and honey pots, digesting the money grubbing schemes of familiar names in various disguises, just screams for a major OUTING. Not surprising your finding Google complacency in, and enablement of, planned keyword churn moves allowing them to sit out of the spotlight and rake in the lions share of PPCSE spend profits. No need for them to directly &quot;Do the Evil&quot; when they have premier search partnerships with the most evil money grubbing Adwhore outfits in the world. </p>
<p>Let the PPCSE fraud idiots spin their wheels outing the scumbags click cheats infesting the Google Adsense content network. Like Yahoo&#039;s content network&#8230;. Google&#039;s can be turned off if advertisers get whacked in junk or phony click traffic. MFA template scrapper sites on disposable domains are just arbitrage click traps plastered throughout the content networks. </p>
<p>What about the other Google Adsense network parts which aren&#039;t so to identify or easy to turn OFF? We&#039;re talking about inner sanctum partnerships in the upper range of Adwords/Adsense keyword daily churn ratios. The only Saint sites at the top. It is Google.com search exposure placed next to SERP results. Even there, the playing field is hardly level, as the inner sanctum mid &amp; upper tier Google partners can pay lower contract rates, arrange guaranteed ROI arbitrage buys, or get tipped on where to insert template MFA sites. </p>
<p>Inner sanctum players in the Google click-churn game cannot be turned off. A client notices hundreds of clicks, without one sale (they average 1 sale per 20 clicks) for months coming from <a href="http://www.suspenderscatalog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.suspenderscatalog.com</a> A PRO site with one page in Google &amp; Yahoo. Adwords Rep suggested turning off contetn network&#8230; clicks keep on coming. Then it&#039;s blacklist any links showing client Adwords specifically on <a href="http://www.suspenderscatalog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.suspenderscatalog.com</a> &#8230; still the clicks keep on coming. Next move is to eliminate the upper rier &quot;search partnerships&quot; &#8230; and their clicks keep on coming. Owned by who? Keyword management and database mgmt by Who? Try hundreds of other productname+catalog.com sites and there they are. Do the Zombie click bots and click slave farmers use them?? Best question is why doesn&#039;t Google Adwords staff know how to allow a 6 year client to disallow clicks from this MFA junk traffic source? Amazing&#8230;Pausing the campaign does work!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Porter</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/opinion-google-slumsense-empires-made-easy/#comment-9875</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust- multiple tens of thousands. All I can disclose. 
 
Works &quot;fine&quot;- what does that mean? What is &quot;fine&quot;? 
Works fine or optimal? If the trash were removed the eCPC would increase for quality publishers. 
 
Carsten- what triggered it? It needed to be said. I see too much cowtailing to Google. Let&#039;s get the problems out front and center. I run into absolute garbage on a regular basis. Tired of it. I see Google funding what they say destroys the web- WHY? 
 
-wayne </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust- multiple tens of thousands. All I can disclose. </p>
<p>Works &quot;fine&quot;- what does that mean? What is &quot;fine&quot;?<br />
Works fine or optimal? If the trash were removed the eCPC would increase for quality publishers. </p>
<p>Carsten- what triggered it? It needed to be said. I see too much cowtailing to Google. Let&#039;s get the problems out front and center. I run into absolute garbage on a regular basis. Tired of it. I see Google funding what they say destroys the web- WHY? </p>
<p>-wayne</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/opinion-google-slumsense-empires-made-easy/#comment-9874</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wayne, 
 
Nice Rant, may I ask what the trigger was? Just Sam&#039;s post? I hear you regarding Google. I had plenty of rants myself over the last 1+ year. 
 
It&#039;s now the corporate world of Google, Inc. Whoever believes something else, lives in a world of denial. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wayne, </p>
<p>Nice Rant, may I ask what the trigger was? Just Sam&#039;s post? I hear you regarding Google. I had plenty of rants myself over the last 1+ year. </p>
<p>It&#039;s now the corporate world of Google, Inc. Whoever believes something else, lives in a world of denial.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Trust here, AdSense works fine.  What did happen was that G uncoupled the content bids from the search/network bids and bids fell substantially - because the clicks weren&#039;t worth it - they never were.  But as G adds site exclusion features, smart pricing, transparency issues where domains can be isolated - those with value are doing just fine.  I run AdSense and my per click revenue has never been higher. 
 
To assume something of lesser value can maintain an inflated price forever, in a free market, is immature. 
 
You can&#039;t blame G for letting the market more precisely price content clicks - that&#039;s backward thinking. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m with Trust here, AdSense works fine.  What did happen was that G uncoupled the content bids from the search/network bids and bids fell substantially &#8211; because the clicks weren&#039;t worth it &#8211; they never were.  But as G adds site exclusion features, smart pricing, transparency issues where domains can be isolated &#8211; those with value are doing just fine.  I run AdSense and my per click revenue has never been higher. </p>
<p>To assume something of lesser value can maintain an inflated price forever, in a free market, is immature. </p>
<p>You can&#039;t blame G for letting the market more precisely price content clicks &#8211; that&#039;s backward thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan (Trust)</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/opinion-google-slumsense-empires-made-easy/#comment-9872</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan (Trust)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Adsense used to be an excellent way to monetize a site (for some it still is)- I remember, long, long ago checks that were simply staggering.&quot; 
 
I use Adsense just on one site and it works fine, like it always has.  Not following what checks you are referring too that were staggering a long time ago and are not now?  Personal sites or sites of friends, what specifically are you referring too.  Or is it just a feeling you have? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Adsense used to be an excellent way to monetize a site (for some it still is)- I remember, long, long ago checks that were simply staggering.&quot; </p>
<p>I use Adsense just on one site and it works fine, like it always has.  Not following what checks you are referring too that were staggering a long time ago and are not now?  Personal sites or sites of friends, what specifically are you referring too.  Or is it just a feeling you have?</p>
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