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Dear Firefox Browser, I Hate You!

December 6th, 2005 by Jim Kukral

I’ll save you the long drawn out rant I’ve been brewing in my head for the past year or so and just get to the point. Well, not really, I’m still going to rant like a madman, but I’ll spit out the point right now.

I hate Firefox! Because…

As a hack-ish web developer from way back when (pre-tables), I honestly thought that the day Netscrape, sorry Netscape died that I would finally be free of cross-browser compatibility testing.

But noooooooooooooooooooo!

Here comes Firefox, all fast and pretty and streamlined and powerful, walking into my world with about 25% of my readers following, causing me to first panic, then do what I hate most…

Cross-browser compatibility testing.

Just the sound of those words make my skull contract around my brain, causing me to flashback to 1998, working on a website template for Ernst & Young, wondering why I can’t get the rollover javascripting to work in IE and Nutscrape, err, Netscape.

Oh the fun I used to have, sitting there hour after hour, testing a page in IE, then in THAT other browser, hoping and praying it would work the same; look the same. F5 (refresh). Dang! Still broken. Somebody grab the javascript book and see what I am doing wrong? The properties are null??? What?

Now here I am today in 2005, with even less modern web development skills, attempting to not only create browser-compliant pages in IE and FF, but with Movable Type embedded tags in between. As we speak, I have my trusted designer guru fiddling about in this template, fixing it for Firefox. How does it look?

I’m about done with my rant. I will leave you with my dream. I dream of a day when we see a complete standardized method of web browsing. Where everything appears exactly the same with the same coding techniques.

A man can dream, can’t he?

11 Comments

graywolf said:

The key is to design to standards in firefox and then tweak in IE. You’ll save time, energy and frustration.

Jim Kukral said:

I get what you’re saying, that is the best way. However, when you really think about it, what does that prove about Internet Explorer today against FF, which is true for IE against Netscape…

It proves that IE is the more “flexible” application. Able to more easily deal with incompatibilities and “go with the flow”.

Brad Waller said:

Our experience has been that IE is the one that breaks and is less “flexible”. I just found a page yesterday that nobody noticed was a bit off in IE. Don’t worry, Jim. Once IE comes out with tabbed browsing, Firefox will have some competition…

Jim Kukral said:

I agree with that thought Brad. However, why should I develop for the minority of my users browser preference first?

passing by said:

If that enough making you hate ff, what about after you update to ie7 then you need to fine a standalone ie6 to test your site, and one day you found that ie6 standalone can not give you the same result of the real ie6, so you have to install visual machine then xp or whatever just to test your page in the real ie6 environment! That is not the end. Ie8 is coming out soon! We all will have to test it in 6, 7 and 8 !!!

If you dream of a day “when we see a complete standardized method of web browsing.”
I would recommend you try whatever you can to kill IE!!!

long time web dev said:

I’ve been developing websites for more than a decade. These sites have been both internal and external, high volume (1 million plus unique visits per month) and low volume (personal sites).

While I think it’s good that IE has some competition to push innovation. I have to say that most commonly, in my experience, FireFox 2 and higher tends to break functionality or render things improperly. For example, I have been working on a fairly complex Flash application that is embedded in an page laiden with AJAX interactions. It works fine in EVERY BROWSER (Safari, IE, Opera) EXCEPT for FireFox 2 and higher. FireFox 2 and higher has the “feature” of not allowing functions on embedded plugins. That’s but one example of problems I’ve run into where Firefox deviates from the norm of what other browsers are capable of (not just IE). I’ve had plenty of CSS handling issues with it as well.

I wish they’d catch up to IE and start innovating again, but for now they seem to be stagnant with nothing more than UI upgrades for their latest versions.

FF carries with it a strange amount of fanboys that I’m not fond of either. With irrational arguments about how it’s “better than IE”…

..I’m not saying IE is better than FF… I’m just saying FF is a pain is the ass for web developers, and in the day and age of AJAX and “Web 2.0″ Firefox is really hurting progress more than it’s helping.

… it should be noted that I’m posting from FireFox 2.0. ;)

Wayne Porter said:

Could always go Ubuntu and be highly irregular. :)

I too have noticed some weird behaviors with FF 2.0

-wayne

aiii said:

firefox is the same old netcrap browser who broke the web a decade ago and then commited suicide.
It came back to brake it once again, -firefox is nothing but a revived netcrap zombie and a crashing shitload.

Dosta said:

I came to this site after I googled “i hate firefox”. Do I need to say anything else…

olek said:

gosh… i am also here after googling: “I HATE FIREFOX”. It is comforting that I am not alone…

Reb said:

Just happened to end up on this page, and I wanted add my opinion, I hate FireFox!! It always screws up my site! And not only mine! I don’t know much about browsers but from what I understand they say it is faster yeah of coarse it is! It doesn’t support half of the codes and scripts! It just ignores them! Cut here and cut there at that point there isn’t much left for the browser to read! IE is full of problems too it isn’t perfect but at least it gives me satisfaction, it shows my site as it was meant to be seen! Web designers put a lot of work into their sites and it is frustrating when you view it on FF and it looks terrible! Unless you like an ordinary site, with no special effects,
Ugly non matching scrollbars, buttons that don’t hover with css, then FF is not for you, if you are creative and work hard to create a site that seems perfect only on IE, all your work goes down the drain for the idiots that use FF.
Unless FF improves and becomes more flexible, I will continue hating it!
I hate testing on different browsers, you can’t have them all perfect, I only wish that one day they will all work pretty much the same, no more head aches and that would be the end of this nightmare!

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