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	<title>Comments on: Google Steps into CPA</title>
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		<title>By: ReveNews - Beth Kirs</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4997</link>
		<dc:creator>ReveNews - Beth Kirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Better Late than Never:  Google CPA&#039;s network revisited&lt;/strong&gt; 
 
Well, I&#039;m perhaps the very last person in the Blogosphere to write about Google&#039;s CPA network. I&#039;ve totally missed the wave of news about this topic, but I&#039;ve been busy - conferences, holidays, and least I forget LMB who pays me - and to be h... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Better Late than Never:  Google CPA&#039;s network revisited</strong> </p>
<p>Well, I&#039;m perhaps the very last person in the Blogosphere to write about Google&#039;s CPA network. I&#039;ve totally missed the wave of news about this topic, but I&#039;ve been busy &#8211; conferences, holidays, and least I forget LMB who pays me &#8211; and to be h&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ReveNews - Jeff Doak</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4996</link>
		<dc:creator>ReveNews - Jeff Doak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What&#039;s Old is New Again in Affiliate Marketing&lt;/strong&gt; 
 
Jellyfish.com, an affiliate cashback site, has launched with coverage by John Battelle, ClickZ, Infoweek, and of this post has over 400 diggs at digg.com. Many of these sites are calling this a &quot;new&quot; ad model that will challenge Google&#039;s ... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What&#039;s Old is New Again in Affiliate Marketing</strong> </p>
<p>Jellyfish.com, an affiliate cashback site, has launched with coverage by John Battelle, ClickZ, Infoweek, and of this post has over 400 diggs at digg.com. Many of these sites are calling this a &quot;new&quot; ad model that will challenge Google&#039;s &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Massimo Moruzzi</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4993</link>
		<dc:creator>Massimo Moruzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your reply, Jeff. All in all, I think you make *very* good points. Regarding point 2), now that I think about it a little harder, I think Google will never give merchants and affiliates the opportunity to negotiate increased commissions. If a certain ad is not making enough money for the affiliate, Google will just replace it with a different one (they&#039;re more about number crunching than about human touch). 
 
However, while I now agree with you that Google will be in a different line of business than that of the affiliate networks, I do still think that their number crunching approach could deliver on less wasted space and thus make it both easier (no understanding what works and what doesn&#039;t) and more profitable for affiliates to just hand over their &#039;cold&#039; &#039;advertising&#039; space to Google while continuing to use the affiliate networks for the more &#039;personal&#039; and &#039;recommendation-like&#039; links. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply, Jeff. All in all, I think you make *very* good points. Regarding point 2), now that I think about it a little harder, I think Google will never give merchants and affiliates the opportunity to negotiate increased commissions. If a certain ad is not making enough money for the affiliate, Google will just replace it with a different one (they&#039;re more about number crunching than about human touch). </p>
<p>However, while I now agree with you that Google will be in a different line of business than that of the affiliate networks, I do still think that their number crunching approach could deliver on less wasted space and thus make it both easier (no understanding what works and what doesn&#039;t) and more profitable for affiliates to just hand over their &#039;cold&#039; &#039;advertising&#039; space to Google while continuing to use the affiliate networks for the more &#039;personal&#039; and &#039;recommendation-like&#039; links.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Doak</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4992</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Doak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) It would certainly be interesting if Google decided to syndicate their Froogle feeds to affiliates, because thus far Froogle has not been successful. But they would only be able to pay CPA on those feed/products for merchants that allowed Google to track their sales. Like all other aspects of this new network, Google has to trust the merchant to track the sale and the merchant has to trust Google with their sales data. 
 
2) Affiliate Managers give increased commission to affiliates based on performance or better placement. Though Google may build something to facilitate this, it is usually something accomplished via the relationship the affiliate and merchant have with each other, and I&#039;m assuming the restrictions on the way AdSense is displayed on a page may make this much more difficult as well. 
 
3) I do think Google is having problems with click fraud, but I don&#039;t think most merchants care right now. If they start to pressure Google to fix the problem, it will not be too difficult to fix using technology (Litmus Media has a solution, for instance). There is fraud in CPA as well, and it usually requires more than a technological fix -- if it could be automated the networks would have figured it out by now; it usually needs a close monitoring of affiliate activity, chargeback rates, cookie overwriting, click to sale time, and other factors combined with transparency into the affiliate channel. 
 
Even if a good percentage of merchants were willing to allow Google to track their sales, they would still have to make a decision between Google and a network provider that had a lot more flexibility in the ways affiliates could push traffic. If they want to use Google and a traditional network together, then they are faced with the potential of double CPA payment on the same sale,and that combined with Google&#039;s inexperience in this space could cost a merchant a lot of money, much more than they are losing to click fraud. 
 
In all cases, Google can only beat the traditional networks if they can figure out a way to scale what the networks currently do to Google&#039;s huge advertising base. They can only scale it if they can convince those merchants to let Google handle the sale, figure out a technological fix to CPA fraud, greatly expand the AdSense system to allow more traditional affiliate links, and allow much closer relationships between advertiser and publisher than is currently possible in their system. On top if that, all good affiliate programs need management, and that management is usually outsourced to the provider or to a third party manager that will require much of the functionality that Google doesn&#039;t yet have. If Google&#039;s goal is to beat the traditional networks, it would make more sense to buy an established provider and scale things that way then to try to convert AdSense into CPA. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) It would certainly be interesting if Google decided to syndicate their Froogle feeds to affiliates, because thus far Froogle has not been successful. But they would only be able to pay CPA on those feed/products for merchants that allowed Google to track their sales. Like all other aspects of this new network, Google has to trust the merchant to track the sale and the merchant has to trust Google with their sales data. </p>
<p>2) Affiliate Managers give increased commission to affiliates based on performance or better placement. Though Google may build something to facilitate this, it is usually something accomplished via the relationship the affiliate and merchant have with each other, and I&#039;m assuming the restrictions on the way AdSense is displayed on a page may make this much more difficult as well. </p>
<p>3) I do think Google is having problems with click fraud, but I don&#039;t think most merchants care right now. If they start to pressure Google to fix the problem, it will not be too difficult to fix using technology (Litmus Media has a solution, for instance). There is fraud in CPA as well, and it usually requires more than a technological fix &#8212; if it could be automated the networks would have figured it out by now; it usually needs a close monitoring of affiliate activity, chargeback rates, cookie overwriting, click to sale time, and other factors combined with transparency into the affiliate channel. </p>
<p>Even if a good percentage of merchants were willing to allow Google to track their sales, they would still have to make a decision between Google and a network provider that had a lot more flexibility in the ways affiliates could push traffic. If they want to use Google and a traditional network together, then they are faced with the potential of double CPA payment on the same sale,and that combined with Google&#039;s inexperience in this space could cost a merchant a lot of money, much more than they are losing to click fraud. </p>
<p>In all cases, Google can only beat the traditional networks if they can figure out a way to scale what the networks currently do to Google&#039;s huge advertising base. They can only scale it if they can convince those merchants to let Google handle the sale, figure out a technological fix to CPA fraud, greatly expand the AdSense system to allow more traditional affiliate links, and allow much closer relationships between advertiser and publisher than is currently possible in their system. On top if that, all good affiliate programs need management, and that management is usually outsourced to the provider or to a third party manager that will require much of the functionality that Google doesn&#039;t yet have. If Google&#039;s goal is to beat the traditional networks, it would make more sense to buy an established provider and scale things that way then to try to convert AdSense into CPA.</p>
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		<title>By: Massimo Moruzzi</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4991</link>
		<dc:creator>Massimo Moruzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure I agree... 
 
1)why do you say this isn&#039;t about datafeeds? don&#039;t they have feeds with Froogle? Couldn&#039;t they decide to do some serious number crunching and put the right product in the right place automatically instead of leaving it to the affiliate to figure out what works and what does not? 
 
2)why do you rule out increased commissions for the best performers? I wouldn&#039;t be so sure. O n the contrary, I think it&#039;s just a matter of time. 
 
3)CJ used to make a lot of money from ppc, too. But they had their hands full of figuring out which clicks were legitimate and which were not and decided to stop the ppc model altogether (only to resume it later on but only in part and only on large and reputable websites). Maybe Google is having as much trouble (or more). Or maybe they think they can make MORE money by offering a pay-per-action model for merchants (big offliners, for example) they trust and they can track with their own technology. 
 
Massimo </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not so sure I agree&#8230; </p>
<p>1)why do you say this isn&#039;t about datafeeds? don&#039;t they have feeds with Froogle? Couldn&#039;t they decide to do some serious number crunching and put the right product in the right place automatically instead of leaving it to the affiliate to figure out what works and what does not? </p>
<p>2)why do you rule out increased commissions for the best performers? I wouldn&#039;t be so sure. O n the contrary, I think it&#039;s just a matter of time. </p>
<p>3)CJ used to make a lot of money from ppc, too. But they had their hands full of figuring out which clicks were legitimate and which were not and decided to stop the ppc model altogether (only to resume it later on but only in part and only on large and reputable websites). Maybe Google is having as much trouble (or more). Or maybe they think they can make MORE money by offering a pay-per-action model for merchants (big offliners, for example) they trust and they can track with their own technology. </p>
<p>Massimo</p>
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		<title>By: Goyami</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4995</link>
		<dc:creator>Goyami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Google&#039;s CPA Announcement&lt;/strong&gt; 
 
Google&#039;s latest announcement that they will start testing cost per acquisition (CPA) advertisements has perked up the ears of the affiliate community. David Jackson appears to be the first to layout the Google CPA plan by which Google will start... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Google&#039;s CPA Announcement</strong> </p>
<p>Google&#039;s latest announcement that they will start testing cost per acquisition (CPA) advertisements has perked up the ears of the affiliate community. David Jackson appears to be the first to layout the Google CPA plan by which Google will start&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Daniels</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4990</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I was thinking when I read it, publishers will have to see the ads first though, before they can make a decision on it. Google doesn&#039;t always hit it out of the park, but they can leg it out and make it something good later on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s what I was thinking when I read it, publishers will have to see the ads first though, before they can make a decision on it. Google doesn&#039;t always hit it out of the park, but they can leg it out and make it something good later on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangro - Affiliate M</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/google-steps-into-cpa/#comment-4994</link>
		<dc:creator>Jangro - Affiliate M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Mother of All CPA Networks?&lt;/strong&gt; 
 
Google&#8217;s jumping into affiliate marketing with their Adsense team&#8217;s un-announced new initiative they&#8217;re calling the &#8220;Content Referral&#8221; network. 
 
Google sent out on invite to some of their publishers to test.  In short, th... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Mother of All CPA Networks?</strong> </p>
<p>Google&#8217;s jumping into affiliate marketing with their Adsense team&#8217;s un-announced new initiative they&#8217;re calling the &#8220;Content Referral&#8221; network. </p>
<p>Google sent out on invite to some of their publishers to test.  In short, th&#8230;</p>
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