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	<title>Comments on: Why Facebook Adspace is Worth Bupkis</title>
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		<title>By: eldercompass</title>
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		<dc:creator>eldercompass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm - I am on my second FB contest campaign and the hits are pretty immediate. I like the low cost structure as I am bootstrapping. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm &#8211; I am on my second FB contest campaign and the hits are pretty immediate. I like the low cost structure as I am bootstrapping.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/contextual-advertising/why-facebook-adspace-is-worth-bupkis/#comment-27072</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve yet to notice one person comment on the two types of Facebook traffic: facebook.com traffic and apps.facebook.com traffic. 
 
My wishlist for Facebook includes the ability to bid separately for regular ad wall traffic vs. apps traffic (example: ads shown while a user is playing Farmville). 
 
If you have Google Analytics in place, you&#039;ll see that the apps.facebook.com visitor is worth a fraction of the non-apps visitor. 
 
To me, there&#039;s a clear difference between the two types of users and it all comes down to attention level. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve yet to notice one person comment on the two types of Facebook traffic: facebook.com traffic and apps.facebook.com traffic.</p>
<p>My wishlist for Facebook includes the ability to bid separately for regular ad wall traffic vs. apps traffic (example: ads shown while a user is playing Farmville).</p>
<p>If you have Google Analytics in place, you&#039;ll see that the apps.facebook.com visitor is worth a fraction of the non-apps visitor.</p>
<p>To me, there&#039;s a clear difference between the two types of users and it all comes down to attention level.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Posehn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Posehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben Wilkinson I see the same thing in general. Lots of big brands making my life difficult ;) 
 
Low CPM&#039;s don&#039;t mean advertisers won&#039;t take FB seriously. After all, if high CPM on a major network isn&#039;t yielding ROI but a low CPM on FB is, where is my money going to go? But we are both in agreement that it is a low CPM for sure and they can do more to leverage their page space and apps to profit. 
 
@Dave It does depend on your product, but before you write off FB, look at how you are approaching the consumer with your offering. What works on search rarely works on FB. Hit me up if you want to talk tactics - I might be able to help. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben Wilkinson I see the same thing in general. Lots of big brands making my life difficult <img src='http://www.revenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Low CPM&#039;s don&#039;t mean advertisers won&#039;t take FB seriously. After all, if high CPM on a major network isn&#039;t yielding ROI but a low CPM on FB is, where is my money going to go? But we are both in agreement that it is a low CPM for sure and they can do more to leverage their page space and apps to profit.</p>
<p>@Dave It does depend on your product, but before you write off FB, look at how you are approaching the consumer with your offering. What works on search rarely works on FB. Hit me up if you want to talk tactics &#8211; I might be able to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had any luck from facebook advertising, for me google adwords is a clear cut winner. 
 
I think it all depends on what your product is and if brand awareness is of any value to you.  Obviously big brands just need exposure, but the question is, do you turn to facebook when your looking to purchase, or do you &#039;google&#039; it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#039;t had any luck from facebook advertising, for me google adwords is a clear cut winner.</p>
<p>I think it all depends on what your product is and if brand awareness is of any value to you.  Obviously big brands just need exposure, but the question is, do you turn to facebook when your looking to purchase, or do you &#039;google&#039; it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advertising on Facebook is just like advertising anywhere else - test, measure, repeat as warranted.  
 
CT, in your comment directed to Kieth, you said that Facebook will never be taken seriously by major advertisers, have you noticed who&#039;s advertising on Facebook? Apple, Mastercard, Visa, and more have all done major campaigns on facebook. What&#039;s more, more and more tv spots are directing viewers to the brands facebook page rather than directly the brand&#039;s URL. This tells me that a lot of big time Advertisers and brands are finding significant value on Facebook. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advertising on Facebook is just like advertising anywhere else &#8211; test, measure, repeat as warranted. </p>
<p>CT, in your comment directed to Kieth, you said that Facebook will never be taken seriously by major advertisers, have you noticed who&#039;s advertising on Facebook? Apple, Mastercard, Visa, and more have all done major campaigns on facebook. What&#039;s more, more and more tv spots are directing viewers to the brands facebook page rather than directly the brand&#039;s URL. This tells me that a lot of big time Advertisers and brands are finding significant value on Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Basically, Facebook must devise some way to build marketing messages into the user experience. But when all your content is UGC, how do you pursue a symbiotic editorial?&quot; 
 
Statement AND question of the year award to you CT. 
 
Your articles are always thorough, timely and thought provoking - but with this one, I think you&#039;ve squeezed some fresh genius juice.  Zuckerberg should wallpaper their offices with posters of your two sentences above.  Make &quot;way&quot; plural above and my second sock would also have blown off. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Basically, Facebook must devise some way to build marketing messages into the user experience. But when all your content is UGC, how do you pursue a symbiotic editorial?&quot;</p>
<p>Statement AND question of the year award to you CT.</p>
<p>Your articles are always thorough, timely and thought provoking &#8211; but with this one, I think you&#039;ve squeezed some fresh genius juice.  Zuckerberg should wallpaper their offices with posters of your two sentences above.  Make &quot;way&quot; plural above and my second sock would also have blown off.</p>
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		<title>By: CT Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>CT Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kieth, you have a point that their pageview volume will help make up for it. But with an average CPM of only $0.56 compared to $2.99, they&#039;ll never be taken seriously by the major advertisers -- i.e. the guys who spend hundreds of thousands a month on their banner campaigns. 
 
Take Adwords: there&#039;s a blend of DIY advertisers and major companies that spend hundreds of thousands a month on clicks month after month. And it&#039;s having these guys as advertisers on paper that help bolster the companies value. 
 
Again, I&#039;m not saying that Facebook is in on the verge of imploding. I&#039;m just saying that they&#039;re not anywhere near their ad revenue potential, and if they want to meet that potential, they have to reinvent their ad offer -- which they can and should </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kieth, you have a point that their pageview volume will help make up for it. But with an average CPM of only $0.56 compared to $2.99, they&#039;ll never be taken seriously by the major advertisers &#8212; i.e. the guys who spend hundreds of thousands a month on their banner campaigns.</p>
<p>Take Adwords: there&#039;s a blend of DIY advertisers and major companies that spend hundreds of thousands a month on clicks month after month. And it&#039;s having these guys as advertisers on paper that help bolster the companies value.</p>
<p>Again, I&#039;m not saying that Facebook is in on the verge of imploding. I&#039;m just saying that they&#039;re not anywhere near their ad revenue potential, and if they want to meet that potential, they have to reinvent their ad offer &#8212; which they can and should</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Posehn</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/contextual-advertising/why-facebook-adspace-is-worth-bupkis/#comment-26995</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Posehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well CT, as we all pile further and further into it, the cost will rise. It already has risen dramatically (I remember the days of $0.10 cpc fondly, its now more like $0.75 at least). 
 
Low ad value is certainly an issue for low volume advertisers, no doubt. However, I&#039;d say that FB is in a unique position: 176 billion impressions in Q1 2010 - 16.2% of the market, topping everyone else. Yes, Yahoo is in second place with a much higher average CPM and therefore more revenue, but for FB volume makes up for the low ad value right now, and the better we advertisers become at targeting and the more there are, that rate is going to rise. 
 
In my opinion it isn&#039;t a question of what FB could sell the impressions for, as they have created a pretty robust market internally. The system is run on a demand basis instead of a negotiation basis, which makes a huge difference for tens of thousands of advertisers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well CT, as we all pile further and further into it, the cost will rise. It already has risen dramatically (I remember the days of $0.10 cpc fondly, its now more like $0.75 at least).</p>
<p>Low ad value is certainly an issue for low volume advertisers, no doubt. However, I&#039;d say that FB is in a unique position: 176 billion impressions in Q1 2010 &#8211; 16.2% of the market, topping everyone else. Yes, Yahoo is in second place with a much higher average CPM and therefore more revenue, but for FB volume makes up for the low ad value right now, and the better we advertisers become at targeting and the more there are, that rate is going to rise.</p>
<p>In my opinion it isn&#039;t a question of what FB could sell the impressions for, as they have created a pretty robust market internally. The system is run on a demand basis instead of a negotiation basis, which makes a huge difference for tens of thousands of advertisers.</p>
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		<title>By: CT Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>CT Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with all of you. Facebook is a GREAT DEAL FOR ADVERTISERS. 
 
Nevertheless, that doesn&#039;t help Facebook. What I meant is that the low ad values don&#039;t bode well for Facebook or its investors. 
 
They really need to find a better way of monetizing all that data and traffic -- as well as recouping their overhead. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with all of you. Facebook is a GREAT DEAL FOR ADVERTISERS.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, that doesn&#039;t help Facebook. What I meant is that the low ad values don&#039;t bode well for Facebook or its investors.</p>
<p>They really need to find a better way of monetizing all that data and traffic &#8212; as well as recouping their overhead.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel Djambazov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel Djambazov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with the comments above that the Facebook targeting, specifically the &quot;likes and interest&quot; section, is easily the most promising aspect of Facebook Ads. 
 
However, one of my favorite stories from running campaigns on Facebook is when Jones Soda, a client of mine, tried to run ads for their Hanukkah pack soda. Interestingly at the time the term Hanukkah (or alternate spelling Chanukah) was not available, where the term Christmas was. We asked Facebook Ads support team about the discrepancy. What&#039;s funny is that they did get back to us saying the term was available...in January. 
 
The potential of promising targeting aside, CT is right in that NDL (to paraphrase basketball lingo) Numbers Don&#039;t Lie.  
 
If Facebook could get $2.43 CPM why are they settling for a $0.56 CPM? Because larger advertisers still think of Facebook ads: as something they might run if they were using MSNDR (thus the potential tie to Bing); as a testing ground for messaging; and as a way to increase followers on their Facebook page. 
 
Ultimately CT is right on when he states, &quot;most Facebook ads untargeted to the extent that they&#8217;re unwelcome.&quot; It is a factor that mitigates the benefits of the interface. 
 
If Facebook doesn&#8217;t want to give up that $1.87 CPM, that&#039;s something they will have to fix. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with the comments above that the Facebook targeting, specifically the &quot;likes and interest&quot; section, is easily the most promising aspect of Facebook Ads.</p>
<p>However, one of my favorite stories from running campaigns on Facebook is when Jones Soda, a client of mine, tried to run ads for their Hanukkah pack soda. Interestingly at the time the term Hanukkah (or alternate spelling Chanukah) was not available, where the term Christmas was. We asked Facebook Ads support team about the discrepancy. What&#039;s funny is that they did get back to us saying the term was available&#8230;in January.</p>
<p>The potential of promising targeting aside, CT is right in that NDL (to paraphrase basketball lingo) Numbers Don&#039;t Lie. </p>
<p>If Facebook could get $2.43 CPM why are they settling for a $0.56 CPM? Because larger advertisers still think of Facebook ads: as something they might run if they were using MSNDR (thus the potential tie to Bing); as a testing ground for messaging; and as a way to increase followers on their Facebook page.</p>
<p>Ultimately CT is right on when he states, &quot;most Facebook ads untargeted to the extent that they&rsquo;re unwelcome.&quot; It is a factor that mitigates the benefits of the interface.</p>
<p>If Facebook doesn&rsquo;t want to give up that $1.87 CPM, that&#039;s something they will have to fix.</p>
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