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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3237</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amar, Tools that allow unified reporting across all your programs across all networkworks and in-house programs you work with (both sides, affiliates, but also outsourced program managers) are needed. There is only very little out there that attempts this. I mentioned the ones I know of in my previous post about the CJ API. I refer to that post from within this one. Cheers! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amar, Tools that allow unified reporting across all your programs across all networkworks and in-house programs you work with (both sides, affiliates, but also outsourced program managers) are needed. There is only very little out there that attempts this. I mentioned the ones I know of in my previous post about the CJ API. I refer to that post from within this one. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Amar Goel</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3236</link>
		<dc:creator>Amar Goel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment about automated access to reporting data is interesting.  I think that as the complexity of offerings out there grows it is harder and harder for affiliates to optimize across this and even figure out how much revenue they are making.  I am looking at building some tools for this, how helpful would people find these types of things? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment about automated access to reporting data is interesting.  I think that as the complexity of offerings out there grows it is harder and harder for affiliates to optimize across this and even figure out how much revenue they are making.  I am looking at building some tools for this, how helpful would people find these types of things?</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3235</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know &lt;a href=&quot;http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=90874&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that thread at ABestWeb&lt;/a&gt; Jonathan. I even posted to it. It touches a somewhat related issue regarding the uncontrolled way how reversals are handled in pretty much all networks.



The merchant can reverse at will and select any reason (the best is always &quot;other&quot;) without being held accountable for it. He is not required to provide some verifiable reference or proof that the reversal and the provided reasons are true and conform with the affiliate agreement.



That means that an affiliate has virtually no way of proving its case in court, because no records by a 3rd party exists.



This creates a right-free area where the advertiser can act as he likes to without the fear of repercussions.



Regarding the PPC guideline as a requirement. Well, if the merchant does not specify any restrictions in that regards, than everything goes that does not violate any other rule or law. Google is extra cautious to protect themselves in case of a doubt so no problem there.



The advertiser can not institute new rules that are valid retroactive and penalize affiliates for breaking the new rule in the past. And here comes the ability to do reversals at will into play, where advertisers could take the &quot;law&quot; into their own hands and make it retroactive, without admitting it.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know <a href="http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=90874" rel="nofollow">that thread at ABestWeb</a> Jonathan. I even posted to it. It touches a somewhat related issue regarding the uncontrolled way how reversals are handled in pretty much all networks.</p>
<p>The merchant can reverse at will and select any reason (the best is always &#8220;other&#8221;) without being held accountable for it. He is not required to provide some verifiable reference or proof that the reversal and the provided reasons are true and conform with the affiliate agreement.</p>
<p>That means that an affiliate has virtually no way of proving its case in court, because no records by a 3rd party exists.</p>
<p>This creates a right-free area where the advertiser can act as he likes to without the fear of repercussions.</p>
<p>Regarding the PPC guideline as a requirement. Well, if the merchant does not specify any restrictions in that regards, than everything goes that does not violate any other rule or law. Google is extra cautious to protect themselves in case of a doubt so no problem there.</p>
<p>The advertiser can not institute new rules that are valid retroactive and penalize affiliates for breaking the new rule in the past. And here comes the ability to do reversals at will into play, where advertisers could take the &#8220;law&#8221; into their own hands and make it retroactive, without admitting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Reiffen</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3233</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Reiffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carsten, I agree with you, in many affiliate networks (not in all networks!) you can find information about the keyword policy. Something that from my point of view is missing, is - as Durk says - a way to easily find certain PPC programs within the whole jungle of merchants. A simple filter would be required. I also suggest something like a &quot;restrictions form&quot; that EVERY merchant MUST fill out in order to specify in a clear, standard manner what is actually allowed and what not. Restrictions in plain text, like in some networks, are often confusing and unclear.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carsten, I agree with you, in many affiliate networks (not in all networks!) you can find information about the keyword policy. Something that from my point of view is missing, is &#8211; as Durk says &#8211; a way to easily find certain PPC programs within the whole jungle of merchants. A simple filter would be required. I also suggest something like a &#8220;restrictions form&#8221; that EVERY merchant MUST fill out in order to specify in a clear, standard manner what is actually allowed and what not. Restrictions in plain text, like in some networks, are often confusing and unclear.</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3231</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andreas said: &quot;e.g. for search affiliates there is no easy way to find programs which allow PPC&quot;

ShareASale (not in Europe) has separate &quot;PPC Keyword Bidding Guidelines and Rules&quot; the merchants have to maintain. It contains the information about what is allowed and what is not.

Even a Keyword grid that has the following options.

Keyword, Bidding Allowed?, Bid Limit and Notes

You can&#039;t search for advertisers by restriction though, but you have to check that per individual merchant manually anyway. The restrictions are visible to affiliates prior joining.

CJ has somewhat buried a so called &quot;Keyword Link&quot; to be used for PPC Affiliates.

It contains Usage Recommendation, Protected Keywords, Recommended Keywords and Non-compete Keywords.

If such a link was not maintained by the merchant and the terms do not prohibit ANY paid search, everything goes I guess.

There is already a bit today, much more than there used to be, if it is sufficient or easy to use is a different story.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andreas said: &#8220;e.g. for search affiliates there is no easy way to find programs which allow PPC&#8221;</p>
<p>ShareASale (not in Europe) has separate &#8220;PPC Keyword Bidding Guidelines and Rules&#8221; the merchants have to maintain. It contains the information about what is allowed and what is not.</p>
<p>Even a Keyword grid that has the following options.</p>
<p>Keyword, Bidding Allowed?, Bid Limit and Notes</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t search for advertisers by restriction though, but you have to check that per individual merchant manually anyway. The restrictions are visible to affiliates prior joining.</p>
<p>CJ has somewhat buried a so called &#8220;Keyword Link&#8221; to be used for PPC Affiliates.</p>
<p>It contains Usage Recommendation, Protected Keywords, Recommended Keywords and Non-compete Keywords.</p>
<p>If such a link was not maintained by the merchant and the terms do not prohibit ANY paid search, everything goes I guess.</p>
<p>There is already a bit today, much more than there used to be, if it is sufficient or easy to use is a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Reiffen</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3230</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Reiffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the affiliates&#039; needs. Isn&#039;t it surprising how little has been accomplished by the major affiliate networks? There is so much space for improvements. E.g. for search affiliates there is no easy way to find programs which allow PPC. Nobody has actually understood that search is a different channel with different properties, requiring different commission structures and payout cycles. Some networks don&#039;t even track the exact time of the conversions,...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the affiliates&#8217; needs. Isn&#8217;t it surprising how little has been accomplished by the major affiliate networks? There is so much space for improvements. E.g. for search affiliates there is no easy way to find programs which allow PPC. Nobody has actually understood that search is a different channel with different properties, requiring different commission structures and payout cycles. Some networks don&#8217;t even track the exact time of the conversions,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan (Trust)</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3234</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan (Trust)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I was talking about over here: 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bumpzee.com/affiliatemarketing/entries/view/284894/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bumpzee.com/affiliatemarketing/entries...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
That merchants should have clear PPC policies and it should be a requirement. 
 
&quot;ShareASale (not in Europe) has separate &quot;PPC Keyword Bidding Guidelines and Rules&quot; the merchants have to maintain.&quot; 
 
They have a section for it but merchants don&#039;t have to maintain it.  An incident is what prompted me to start the dicussion I just linked too above, where an SAS merchant didn&#039;t have clear policies and then it kind of blew up. 
 
All networks should have a section for PPC policies and merchants should be required to fill it out before the program goes live.  It&#039;s a very simple thing to do and prevent a lot of issues down the road. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s what I was talking about over here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bumpzee.com/affiliatemarketing/entries/view/284894/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bumpzee.com/affiliatemarketing/entries&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>That merchants should have clear PPC policies and it should be a requirement. </p>
<p>&quot;ShareASale (not in Europe) has separate &quot;PPC Keyword Bidding Guidelines and Rules&quot; the merchants have to maintain.&quot; </p>
<p>They have a section for it but merchants don&#039;t have to maintain it.  An incident is what prompted me to start the dicussion I just linked too above, where an SAS merchant didn&#039;t have clear policies and then it kind of blew up. </p>
<p>All networks should have a section for PPC policies and merchants should be required to fill it out before the program goes live.  It&#039;s a very simple thing to do and prevent a lot of issues down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Durk Price</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3232</link>
		<dc:creator>Durk Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone could make a bunch of money by going to all the merchants and getting them to post their keyword strategies in a central clearinghouse for affiliate to find the deals they want. It would also expose some pretty shoddy merchant strategies and probably help the market. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone could make a bunch of money by going to all the merchants and getting them to post their keyword strategies in a central clearinghouse for affiliate to find the deals they want. It would also expose some pretty shoddy merchant strategies and probably help the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Durk Price</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3229</link>
		<dc:creator>Durk Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that and thought that your comments just amplified or were your own opinions along with what you heard at the session. You may want to add that clarification at the end of the post. Either way not sure it is a big deal. BTW: Glad to hear Shawn is going to publish the videos. I told several of my clients about specific comments and ideas that came out of AS and would love to send them the link to the actual session for them to hear and see what I was trying to share with them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that and thought that your comments just amplified or were your own opinions along with what you heard at the session. You may want to add that clarification at the end of the post. Either way not sure it is a big deal. BTW: Glad to hear Shawn is going to publish the videos. I told several of my clients about specific comments and ideas that came out of AS and would love to send them the link to the actual session for them to hear and see what I was trying to share with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/what-super-affiliates-want/#comment-3228</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew wrote 
 
&quot;think you probably meant the PDF versions of the powerpoints&quot; 
 
I fixed that :). Thanks for pointing it out. 
 
Shawn said that he will make all videos from the sessions available online for free this time. Give him a few weeks to get them all done and up on the web. I am also looking forward to see them, because I missed 1-2 sessions that seemed to be interesting (for me). 
 
Thanks for the kudos Durk and Andrew. 
 
Durk: As you have been in the session too, you know that the session was a bit different than what I wrote in this post. I wrote what I was thinking when I heart the stuff mentioned in the session. 
 
I don&#039;t want give advertisers the idea that what was said there is only important to super affiliates and that the session title might have been a bit misleading. Okay, some of the things mentioned were specific to them, but that was the smaller number of things. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew wrote </p>
<p>&quot;think you probably meant the PDF versions of the powerpoints&quot; </p>
<p>I fixed that <img src='http://www.revenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Thanks for pointing it out. </p>
<p>Shawn said that he will make all videos from the sessions available online for free this time. Give him a few weeks to get them all done and up on the web. I am also looking forward to see them, because I missed 1-2 sessions that seemed to be interesting (for me). </p>
<p>Thanks for the kudos Durk and Andrew. </p>
<p>Durk: As you have been in the session too, you know that the session was a bit different than what I wrote in this post. I wrote what I was thinking when I heart the stuff mentioned in the session. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t want give advertisers the idea that what was said there is only important to super affiliates and that the session title might have been a bit misleading. Okay, some of the things mentioned were specific to them, but that was the smaller number of things.</p>
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