Comments on: Miva, the 2nd Tier Search Engines and Click Fraud http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/ Discussion of Online Marketing, SEM, Social Media, Mobile and Video, Micro-Content, and Affiliate Marketing Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Carsten Cumbrowski http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2911 Carsten Cumbrowski Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:42:36 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2911 Here is the response I got from Miva for everybody who is interested. <a href="http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=4036" rel="nofollow">http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=4036</a> Here is the response I got from Miva for everybody who is interested.

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=4036

]]> By: ReveNews - Carsten C http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2912 ReveNews - Carsten C Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:36:37 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2912 <strong>Miva Click Fraud Story - Part Deux</strong> I got today the response of Miva to last weeks post about my experiences with click fraud at Miva. Miva contacted me after they read the post at Search Engine Journal where I published it also, but slightly modified (due... Miva Click Fraud Story – Part Deux

I got today the response of Miva to last weeks post about my experiences with click fraud at Miva. Miva contacted me after they read the post at Search Engine Journal where I published it also, but slightly modified (due…

]]> By: Carsten Cumbrowski http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2910 Carsten Cumbrowski Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:50:52 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2910 Ben, Thanks for the input. Do you have some documentation for the UCmore case? And since you are an Expert, like Kellie, for Spyware, AdWare and all that junk. Did you see my comment to Kellie's comment, the one regarding a spyware/adware file for Webmasters and Marketers to scan their logs? Do you know of anything like this? Thanks. Carsten Ben,
Thanks for the input. Do you have some documentation for the UCmore case?

And since you are an Expert, like Kellie, for Spyware, AdWare and all that junk. Did you see my comment to Kellie's comment, the one regarding a spyware/adware file for Webmasters and Marketers to scan their logs? Do you know of anything like this? Thanks.

Carsten

]]> By: Mike Allen http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2909 Mike Allen Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:46:36 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2909 Over a year ago I tested Miva and was very unhappy with it. Terrible customer service even when confronted with server logs showing traffic from porn sites (and I've never advertised anything remotely associated with porn). If my memory serves me right, I don't think I could document a single conversion from Miva in my last test run. Over a year ago I tested Miva and was very unhappy with it. Terrible customer service even when confronted with server logs showing traffic from porn sites (and I've never advertised anything remotely associated with porn).

If my memory serves me right, I don't think I could document a single conversion from Miva in my last test run.

]]> By: Ben Edelman http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2908 Ben Edelman Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:33:40 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2908 As Kellie says, there is a remarkable amount of spyware sending traffic to PPC search engines, Miva among others. Recall even <a href="http://www.yahoosyndicationfraud.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.yahoosyndicationfraud.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yahoosyndicationfraud.com</a></a> -- litigation (in which I serve as co-counsel) claiming that Yahoo has overcharged its advertising customers through its spyware partnerships. I've been watching Ucmore sending traffic to Miva for months (more than a year?). I see no sign of this stopping until litigation or advertiser complaints force Miva's hand.</a> As Kellie says, there is a remarkable amount of spyware sending traffic to PPC search engines, Miva among others. Recall even http://www.yahoosyndicationfraud.com — litigation (in which I serve as co-counsel) claiming that Yahoo has overcharged its advertising customers through its spyware partnerships.

I've been watching Ucmore sending traffic to Miva for months (more than a year?). I see no sign of this stopping until litigation or advertiser complaints force Miva's hand.

]]> By: Carsten Cumbrowski http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2907 Carsten Cumbrowski Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:21:40 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2907 Hi Kelly, thanks for your comment. I should have added to the post that other ppc marketers should also check their referral log to see if they got any ppc traffic from Ucmore and then contact the SE's and demand a refund. You are an authority when it comes to this spyware and adware junk. That triggered some inactive brain cells in my head :). Not your comment in particular... Do you have a file with known spyware and adware that has the following information. a) Name of the SpyWare/AdWare b) Company (if it is known) c) URL to more details about the Software and most importantly d) Referrer URL and/or User Agent that allows the identification of the traffic to your site from those software I would love to get such a list and run it against my PPC log database and then send it to the SE's. If you have something like that or know where I could find it, let me know. I would appreciate it. A text file, delimited or also XML would do. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Carsten Hi Kelly, thanks for your comment.

I should have added to the post that other ppc marketers should also check their referral log to see if they got any ppc traffic from Ucmore and then contact the SE's and demand a refund.

You are an authority when it comes to this spyware and adware junk. That triggered some inactive brain cells in my head :) . Not your comment in particular…

Do you have a file with known spyware and adware that has the following information.

a) Name of the SpyWare/AdWare
b) Company (if it is known)
c) URL to more details about the Software
and most importantly
d) Referrer URL and/or User Agent that allows the identification of the traffic to your site from those software

I would love to get such a list and run it against my PPC log database and then send it to the SE's. If you have something like that or know where I could find it, let me know. I would appreciate it. A text file, delimited or also XML would do. Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Carsten

]]> By: Kellie http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2906 Kellie Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:54:07 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2906 "Last but not least some insights in how Miva tries to minimize the risk of such publishers becoming active in the network and what measures you have in place to prevent that the same publisher simply creates a new account and starts again" They kind of answered that in their first email to you. *Your* ads will no longer show for ucmore. I didn't see them saying that the admittedly poor quality traffic source was removed as a Miva distribution source. Others ads will continue to show, unless they contact Miva I suppose. Ucmore isn't the only one by the long shot and all the traffic from them may have been poor quality but not flat out click fraud. And the out and out click fraud most certainly does happen. And they know who their traffic sources are. More people should start contacting the 2nd tier engines and holding them accountable. Here's just one more quality distribution partner for Miva....Zango toolbar (formerly hotbar). Might want to check your logs for that one too. But the list is long for names you could check in your logs. "Last but not least some insights in how Miva tries to minimize the risk of such publishers becoming active in the network and what measures you have in place to prevent that the same publisher simply creates a new account and starts again"

They kind of answered that in their first email to you. *Your* ads will no longer show for ucmore. I didn't see them saying that the admittedly poor quality traffic source was removed as a Miva distribution source. Others ads will continue to show, unless they contact Miva I suppose. Ucmore isn't the only one by the long shot and all the traffic from them may have been poor quality but not flat out click fraud. And the out and out click fraud most certainly does happen. And they know who their traffic sources are.

More people should start contacting the 2nd tier engines and holding them accountable.

Here's just one more quality distribution partner for Miva….Zango toolbar (formerly hotbar). Might want to check your logs for that one too. But the list is long for names you could check in your logs.

]]> By: Jonathan (Trust) http://www.revenews.com/search-engine-marketing/miva-the-2nd-tier-search-engines-and-click-fraud/#comment-2905 Jonathan (Trust) Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:52:25 +0000 http://revenews.contentrobot.com/?p=563#comment-2905 At this point in the game, I'm not sure why anybody messes with the 2nd tier on down. At this point in the game, I'm not sure why anybody messes with the 2nd tier on down.

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