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		<title>By: Texas Drags Affiliates Into $269 Million Amazon Fight - Affiliate Marketing News &#38; Information - Aff PR &#8211; All about Affiliate Marketing</title>
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		<description>[...] and other retailers with affiliate programs have left states completely when bills like HB 1317 become law, making the bill moot with no sales tax [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kellie Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kellie Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read the final bill, I thought &quot;ha..Amazon should show them and announce they were going to stop selling in CO&quot;. How long would it take if consumers could no longer buy from just a couple of online merchants? I&#039;d give it a week before CO legislators were overwhelmed with consumer complaints. Unfortunately, Amazon took a road that is probably less costly for them.  
 
I&#039;d also speculate that Amazon&#039;s move to drop affiliates in CO might have something to do with their appeal of the NY Amazon Tax, which will most likely end up at the Supreme Court. I have to think since that is the ultimate end game, it is playing a role in what Amazon does in every state. 
 
Politics can get nasty. This is the type of tangential fallout (innocents getting hurt) that has made me opposed to government intervention/regulation witin our industry (at least as little as possible).  
 
I don&#039;t see merchants turning over that kind of data on customers to any state if they don&#039;t have to. And while the law supposedly &quot;levels the playing field&quot; between online &amp; brick and mortar stores, it seems more burdensome for online retailers.  
 
Although I haven&#039;t seen it mentioned, I wonder about privacy issues with this CO law. Not so much the notice on the invoice, but the yearly reporting. It&#039;s along the same lines of an employer having to send out W-2&#039;s, 1099&#039;s etc. But you *know* that is getting sent as an employee or contractor. A consumer having info reported to the tax collector because they made a purcahse at a store??? I can see why some merchants are running away from that as well.  
 
And unfortunately, the original bill was tied to affiliates. A response I saw from Amazon made it clear Amazon felt this bill was an attempt to force merchants into ultimately collecting the tax. The issue of an affiliate nexus may not be perceived as completely dead by some (my guess). 
 
If retailers are reacting this way to the CO law, can you imagine what can of fallout there may be if FL passses what they want to? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read the final bill, I thought &quot;ha..Amazon should show them and announce they were going to stop selling in CO&quot;. How long would it take if consumers could no longer buy from just a couple of online merchants? I&#039;d give it a week before CO legislators were overwhelmed with consumer complaints. Unfortunately, Amazon took a road that is probably less costly for them. </p>
<p>I&#039;d also speculate that Amazon&#039;s move to drop affiliates in CO might have something to do with their appeal of the NY Amazon Tax, which will most likely end up at the Supreme Court. I have to think since that is the ultimate end game, it is playing a role in what Amazon does in every state.</p>
<p>Politics can get nasty. This is the type of tangential fallout (innocents getting hurt) that has made me opposed to government intervention/regulation witin our industry (at least as little as possible). </p>
<p>I don&#039;t see merchants turning over that kind of data on customers to any state if they don&#039;t have to. And while the law supposedly &quot;levels the playing field&quot; between online &amp; brick and mortar stores, it seems more burdensome for online retailers. </p>
<p>Although I haven&#039;t seen it mentioned, I wonder about privacy issues with this CO law. Not so much the notice on the invoice, but the yearly reporting. It&#039;s along the same lines of an employer having to send out W-2&#039;s, 1099&#039;s etc. But you *know* that is getting sent as an employee or contractor. A consumer having info reported to the tax collector because they made a purcahse at a store??? I can see why some merchants are running away from that as well. </p>
<p>And unfortunately, the original bill was tied to affiliates. A response I saw from Amazon made it clear Amazon felt this bill was an attempt to force merchants into ultimately collecting the tax. The issue of an affiliate nexus may not be perceived as completely dead by some (my guess).</p>
<p>If retailers are reacting this way to the CO law, can you imagine what can of fallout there may be if FL passses what they want to?</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin Banker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin Banker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While all this moves forward from state to state, we are all aware that the original bill in New York is the subject of litigation which is ongoing and in progress currently.   
 
No one can guess what will happen eventually, but it is at least a reasonable hope of mine that the New York &quot;Amazon Tax&quot; bill with the ruling of &quot;affiliate nexus&quot; will be found unconstitutional and made null and void by the US Supreme Court. I have no legal experience or special knowledge about this, but I can pray, and that is what I am praying for. 
 
In the meantime states are doing big damage to our business model with various bills aimed at collecting sales tax from online purchases. I wonder if any of you know the progress of the litigation?  I last heard it was in the appellate courts in New York. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While all this moves forward from state to state, we are all aware that the original bill in New York is the subject of litigation which is ongoing and in progress currently.  </p>
<p>No one can guess what will happen eventually, but it is at least a reasonable hope of mine that the New York &quot;Amazon Tax&quot; bill with the ruling of &quot;affiliate nexus&quot; will be found unconstitutional and made null and void by the US Supreme Court. I have no legal experience or special knowledge about this, but I can pray, and that is what I am praying for.</p>
<p>In the meantime states are doing big damage to our business model with various bills aimed at collecting sales tax from online purchases. I wonder if any of you know the progress of the litigation?  I last heard it was in the appellate courts in New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Seery</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/amazon-terminates-colorado-affiliates-joins-growing-list-of-advertisers/#comment-24307</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie Seery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention Angel. 
 
This new law in Colorado is very different from the ones passed in New York, North Carolina and Rhode Island. The actions a merchant may have taken in those other 3 states will probably not work in Colorado. Terminations will have no impact on whether there is a need to comply.  
 
I&#039;ll repeat my advice to merchants - seek qualified counsel before taking any action, and don&#039;t simply follow any other merchant&#039;s actions. No one can know the whole story behind the decision. What is right for one business is not always right for another. What does this mean for merchants?  This may mean retaining a lawyer or asking your qualified accountant and putting your business in your own hands.  
 
We&#039;ll all continue to work on this issue as we have done since 2008. Hopefully we are learning from experiences. 
 
Preparation and education is the key for every Affiliate and Merchant. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention Angel.</p>
<p>This new law in Colorado is very different from the ones passed in New York, North Carolina and Rhode Island. The actions a merchant may have taken in those other 3 states will probably not work in Colorado. Terminations will have no impact on whether there is a need to comply. </p>
<p>I&#039;ll repeat my advice to merchants &#8211; seek qualified counsel before taking any action, and don&#039;t simply follow any other merchant&#039;s actions. No one can know the whole story behind the decision. What is right for one business is not always right for another. What does this mean for merchants?  This may mean retaining a lawyer or asking your qualified accountant and putting your business in your own hands. </p>
<p>We&#039;ll all continue to work on this issue as we have done since 2008. Hopefully we are learning from experiences.</p>
<p>Preparation and education is the key for every Affiliate and Merchant.</p>
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		<title>By: Amazon Terminates Thousands of Affiliates &#8211; Uses Them to Fight Colorado Sales Tax Legislation #noadtax - 5 Star Affiliate Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Terminates Thousands of Affiliates &#8211; Uses Them to Fight Colorado Sales Tax Legislation #noadtax - 5 Star Affiliate Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] too and Franklin Banker in comments really sums up the feeling of many Colorado affiliates. Amazon Terminates Colorado Affiliates, Joins Growing List of Advertisers Franklin Banker [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Franklin Banker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin Banker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that reasoning of course, and maybe they are preparing for the legal battle at year&#039;s end when they refuse to provide the list of customers and what they have purchased.  
 
It is sad to see such disloyalty to hard working associates. I am fortunate in that I have no big stake in Amazon, but if this trickles down to my merchants then I will be hurt. 
 
I met several good affiliates during the fight in Colorado who do make most of their incomes through Amazon, so I know they are much more upset than I am today. 
 
I pray these merchants I do business with will have more integrity than Amazon. We have seen this follow the leader mentality before in NY. I guess it all depends on factors beyond our control.  
 
I may be moving to Utah after all :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that reasoning of course, and maybe they are preparing for the legal battle at year&#039;s end when they refuse to provide the list of customers and what they have purchased. </p>
<p>It is sad to see such disloyalty to hard working associates. I am fortunate in that I have no big stake in Amazon, but if this trickles down to my merchants then I will be hurt.</p>
<p>I met several good affiliates during the fight in Colorado who do make most of their incomes through Amazon, so I know they are much more upset than I am today.</p>
<p>I pray these merchants I do business with will have more integrity than Amazon. We have seen this follow the leader mentality before in NY. I guess it all depends on factors beyond our control. </p>
<p>I may be moving to Utah after all <img src='http://www.revenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Angel Djambazov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel Djambazov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Franklin, 
 
If I were to speculate, I would guess that Amazon&#039;s reasoning for terminating affiliate relationships is two-fold:  
 
a) as Melanie Seery from Affiliate Advocacy, who has an excellent write up as to &quot;why&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://affiliateadvocacy.com/2010/did-amazon-remove-colorado-affiliates-and-why/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, has pointed out Amazon has always said it would terminate affiliates in any state passing legislation they felt was unconstitutional. The constitutionality of this law is questionable at best so Amazon is keeping its word;  
 
b) if Amazon should challenge such a law, especially if Colorado attempts to force Amazon to reveal its customer list, having affiliate ties in the state could be used as leverage against Amazon during any legal battle. It would seem that someone in Amazon&#039;s legal felt those ties would become a liability in other efforts.  
 
As I&#039;ve said previously I don&#039;t like the idea of affiliates being used as negotiation chips but those are the reasons I can guess at currently. It will be interesting to see if Amazon makes any kind of official response. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Franklin,</p>
<p>If I were to speculate, I would guess that Amazon&#039;s reasoning for terminating affiliate relationships is two-fold: </p>
<p>a) as Melanie Seery from Affiliate Advocacy, who has an excellent write up as to &quot;why&quot; <a href="http://affiliateadvocacy.com/2010/did-amazon-remove-colorado-affiliates-and-why/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, has pointed out Amazon has always said it would terminate affiliates in any state passing legislation they felt was unconstitutional. The constitutionality of this law is questionable at best so Amazon is keeping its word; </p>
<p>b) if Amazon should challenge such a law, especially if Colorado attempts to force Amazon to reveal its customer list, having affiliate ties in the state could be used as leverage against Amazon during any legal battle. It would seem that someone in Amazon&#039;s legal felt those ties would become a liability in other efforts. </p>
<p>As I&#039;ve said previously I don&#039;t like the idea of affiliates being used as negotiation chips but those are the reasons I can guess at currently. It will be interesting to see if Amazon makes any kind of official response.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin Banker</title>
		<link>http://www.revenews.com/affiliate-marketing/amazon-terminates-colorado-affiliates-joins-growing-list-of-advertisers/#comment-24276</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin Banker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where I am somewhat confused is that they are openly saying they will continue to sell in Colorado through out of state affiliate websites, and other channels, while still finding it necessary to terminate us Colorado affiliates. 
 
This is very contradictory and seems to be a punitive action against Colorado affiliates who are not focusing their efforts only in Colorado, but across all markets in the US and abroad.   
 
Why fire the affiliates? 
 
I can only guess that they are doing this to get us back to the Capital to try to get the bill repealed instead of mounting their own legal challenge. 
 
After all, the new bill HB10-1193 now has no mention of affiliates in it at all. Why terminate affiliates at all?  Under the previous model in New York, Rhode Island and North Carolina the term &quot;affiliate&quot; was in the bill, making it a bit more understandable. 
 
The Colorado bill does not mention affiliates 
 
The issue is one of legality and compliance, and no longer focuses on affiliates due to the rewrite of the bill.  There is absolutely no reason to fire the affiliates now, so why do it? 
 
Maybe this is cheaper for them than mounting a legal challenge now. Perhaps they want to see if we can get the bill repealed? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where I am somewhat confused is that they are openly saying they will continue to sell in Colorado through out of state affiliate websites, and other channels, while still finding it necessary to terminate us Colorado affiliates.</p>
<p>This is very contradictory and seems to be a punitive action against Colorado affiliates who are not focusing their efforts only in Colorado, but across all markets in the US and abroad.  </p>
<p>Why fire the affiliates?</p>
<p>I can only guess that they are doing this to get us back to the Capital to try to get the bill repealed instead of mounting their own legal challenge.</p>
<p>After all, the new bill HB10-1193 now has no mention of affiliates in it at all. Why terminate affiliates at all?  Under the previous model in New York, Rhode Island and North Carolina the term &quot;affiliate&quot; was in the bill, making it a bit more understandable.</p>
<p>The Colorado bill does not mention affiliates</p>
<p>The issue is one of legality and compliance, and no longer focuses on affiliates due to the rewrite of the bill.  There is absolutely no reason to fire the affiliates now, so why do it?</p>
<p>Maybe this is cheaper for them than mounting a legal challenge now. Perhaps they want to see if we can get the bill repealed?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, got the same email this morning in my Inbox. This sucks big time. But with so many initiatives going on in other states at the moment as well, affiliates better start fighting back before it is too late like for us in Colorado. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, got the same email this morning in my Inbox. This sucks big time. But with so many initiatives going on in other states at the moment as well, affiliates better start fighting back before it is too late like for us in Colorado.</p>
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